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shrink 24 hours ago [-]
I've had companies in a few different jurisdictions, including a Delaware C Corp[1] and currently an OÜ through Estonia's e-residency program.
Yes, it is fantastic and delivers on all of the promises. The only potential headache is that you must collect your e-residency card from an embassy which, depending on your location, might require travel to a nearby country.
I used Xolo but there are lots of agents in the directory. I like and recommend Xolo. No idea what the supposed issue with banking is, all of the agents have banking relationships and you can also use Revolut and Wise. My bank account was opened same day as the company.
Your details are published on the public register. The moment your registration is published you'll get lots of emails offering services, like banking (some people pretend to be Revolut but are actually just sending you affiliate links). Don't publish an email address you care about.
[1] The problem with forming a U.S. company is that all of the formation agents are layers on top of a convoluted nightmare. The formation agent can do their best to abstract away the complexity but the moment you have to peak behind the curtain you'll find yourself face to face with something very scary. The Estonian e-residency program is integrated all the way through.
andai 23 hours ago [-]
Did the actual business registration and bank thing require travel? I might be remembering wrong but I thought that was a requirement a few years ago.
trollbridge 18 hours ago [-]
The U.S. is not a great place for offshore business registration mostly because the reporting requirements around taxation for foreign-owned businesses are so severe. It's just a lot of useless paperwork.
unmole 17 hours ago [-]
> reporting requirements around taxation for foreign-owned businesses are so severe.
What exactly are you referring to? This doesn't match my experience at all.
zeckalpha 16 hours ago [-]
It depends on which direction you are referring to the ownership flowing.
vaginaphobic 16 hours ago [-]
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gcifuentes 1 hours ago [-]
I collected my Estonian non-citizen id card from Madrid. I found their income reports misleading and highly subjective. Plus you have to pay someone to dump the data in Estonian. You are subject to fines on a phone line. Not much security from an owner POV. I finally closed the entity which was much more expensive than opening.
At the end, these kind of stuff is done so they can charge entrepeneurs heftly and throughly with invoices on services which could not be needed if you were in their jurisdiction.
Not worth it.
PD. I forgot to add the ID card is valid for 5 years or so so you might run out of identity while your company is running, risky business.
littlecranky67 22 hours ago [-]
You said you are from Germany but not where you are now. If you are still in Germany, forget it. Just because you incorporate outside of Germany does not exempt your from any taxes (and its beauraucracies) in Germany. That is, even with an estonian corporation, you will owe german corporate taxes (plural - one goes to the state one to the county - a.k.a. Körperschaftsteuer and Gewerbesteuer). That implies you will have to do the same tax paperwork as with a german GmbH and file them official with the tax authorities (Steuererklärungen, Umsatzsteuerjahresabschluss) and the Bundesanzeiger (Jahresabschlussbilanz). Nothing gets easier with that setup.
zeroq 17 hours ago [-]
You're not wrong, but you're missing the best part.
Estonian company does not pay taxes (*). As long as the money stays within the company he's golden. The company can pay for his car, his apartment/office, etc.
It is only when he decides to withdraw the money the problem occurs.
What you're saying applies to most EU countries. Here where I live you have to reside for majority of the year in given residency to pay taxes over there.
Here's the tricky part.
Estonia is part of Schengen Area. Which means you can travel there and back without passport. There's no paper trail of your arrangements. You can easily create a reality in which you reside there for majority of time.
But again, that's not the selling part of Estonian LTD. Which is - it's extremely easygoing and as long as money stays in the company you're not paying taxes.
KellyCriterion 11 hours ago [-]
> You can easily create a reality in which you reside there for majority of time.
Cautios when dealing with German tax officers: They are checking the 183-day-limit very very strictly, includin invoices/bank statements if required, hotel bookings etc. They even apply intelligence colleagues if in doubt for big fishes.
littlecranky67 10 hours ago [-]
183-days rule is NOT a thing in germany for corporate taxes, and I think it is not in income taxes either. It may be an indicator, but it is not a hard proof. Important is, where you have your social life set up ("Lebensmittelpunkt"). That is, you can reside more than 183 days abroad, but if you have a family, golf club membership, permanent residence, your stock brokerage account etc. still in germany, you still count as a german tax resident. There are no hard laws with X days around it, german law revolves a lot around that "Lebensmittelpunkt" which will be decided on a per-case basis.
You've literally described direct tax fraud which won't survive audit.
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plantain 16 hours ago [-]
Have you never heard of fringe benefits tax?
zeroq 15 hours ago [-]
Have you read my post?
Let say I am a junior SWE in EU. I incorporate in Estonia and issue my employer with an invoice from said company. That company pays for my house, my car, my dental service and whatnot, and what's left I take as a employee salary.
I pay local tax for that salary, but that's only a fraction of what I've billed my employer.
d1sxeyes 13 hours ago [-]
That's just tax fraud though.
There's also the CFC rule, which means that within the EU, if you control a foreign corporation, your country of tax residence can tax undistributed profits.
Often tax offices don't bother and you might not get caught, but 'not getting caught' is not the same as it being legit.
otikik 8 hours ago [-]
To me it feels disgraceful to live in a country, benefit from the taxes that everyone else pays there, and try to avoid paying the taxes yourself. It is true that the ultra-wealthy do this. What we should do is try to make them pay their due taxes as well, not try to imitate them. That paths leads to an impoverished country where you have to live in a gated community with armed guards.
littlecranky67 10 hours ago [-]
That would not be possible at in Germany, everything you just listed is considered a "geldwerter Vorteil" and falls under income tax - even if the company gives you a car that you need to do your job, you will have to pay taxes on it.
petesergeant 10 hours ago [-]
> that company pays for my house, my car, my dental service and whatnot, and what's left I take as a employee salary ... I pay local tax for that salary
Until you get audited by your local tax authority who rules that all of that is disguised salary, or the Estonian tax authority says that that's technically (taxable) profit being paid to the director.
If you're currently doing this, I suggest throwing yourself at the mercy of your local tax authority with the help of a lawyer and an accountant, as it's possible they'll show some leniency if you go to them first and not add penalty fines in addition to needing to back-pay the tax and late payment fines.
You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to fool The Revenue.
monkey_monkey 8 hours ago [-]
Oh boy, are you in for a shock..
astura 6 hours ago [-]
So, tax fraud?
mbeex 12 hours ago [-]
Exactly. I'm German and simulated the constellation some year's ago. Verdict was, if you are inside the EU it won't pay out. The Estonian model is for people trying to participate in the EU market from outside.
KellyCriterion 11 hours ago [-]
It is about where the actual "effective management" is considered to be located: If you live in Germany permanently, the tax office can decided to tax you as if you were a Germany company - and yes, most of the times they do it.
If you travel regularly and have an office in Estonia and you make the effective management decisions there, you are obliged to Estonian tax system only.
lordnacho 21 hours ago [-]
This is why I was wondering what the point was. Surely most countries will claim taxes from you if you work there, so having an Estonian entity will do little?
Can someone explain the actual benefit of sitting in a developed country and charging via Estonia?
romanovcode 5 hours ago [-]
For customer, unless you are a true digital nomad e.g. have no residency anywhere the benefit is: none.
For Estonia who uses services like Xolo to promote this for unaware people the benefit is: money (in a form of dividend tax, e-residency registration fees and so on).
abpavel 21 hours ago [-]
This is the best answer. Internally, we have to deal with bureaucracies of every country for employment and residencies. Separately.
romanovcode 8 hours ago [-]
This should be higher up. Xolo deliberately hides this under small-print with vague statement about this issue.
If you manage your company in, let's say, Germany, it is de-facto German company in the eyes of German tax authorities. When German tax authorities will find this out they will make you open UG/GmbH and pay back the corpo-tax, plus possibly a fine.
Now you will be stuck with 2 companies - Estonian and German, which is way bigger hassle. Not to mention Estonian company becomes useless/liability.
I also want to mention that practically every country has offshore-company laws like this, even places like Thailand and other SEA countries. It's not only EU.
dsnr 4 days ago [-]
Not answering your question directly but accounting and taxes are a thing everywhere. EU rules make accounting for companies quite complicated.
Focus on your business, open the smallest and simplest entity you can to validate your product before spending time and money optimizing or scaling things.
That being said, I’m familiar with GmbHs in Germany and I would advise against going this route unless funding is available. Try a sole proprietorship instead if possible.
jFriedensreich 23 hours ago [-]
"accounting and taxes are a thing everywhere. EU rules make accounting for companies quite complicated" >> this is the most wrong thing ever. You cannot compare the one click accounting in estonia with german kafkaesk absurdity designed to grind you down. How things are implemented are drastically different in countries even if both in the EU.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 20 hours ago [-]
If you have a company in estonia but you reside and fully control it from Germany, you might be liable for taxation in Germany due to CFC laws.
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udl 4 days ago [-]
Thank you! Yes, that's why I'm looking for a simpler and less bureaucratic alternative. I'm totally fine with general accounting and taxes. But I would be happy if there was an alternative somewhere where you don't have to go to a notary for every little change and don't necessarily need a tax advisor because you have to talk to five different tax offices. Germany really makes it more complicated than it needs to be.
I professionally have been helping folks set up and maintain e-Residence and businesses, and all said here in the comments so far tracks: Estonia is absolutely unsurpassed qua administrative ease (this giving you a clear and lasting business advantage), the tax advantages are real, and the jurisdiction only gets better.-
Banking and being scrupulous on your personal taxes at your place of personal residence are issues, but nothing insurmountable, far from it.-
aerhardt 24 hours ago [-]
I've considered it as a Spanish resident, but don't you have to live six months there to be considered a fiscal resident? Are people regularly operating them from outside Estonia?
campbellmorgan 23 hours ago [-]
(Not a tax professional so don't take my word for it) But I think you're talking about individual fiscal residency. A company you create can technically not be resident where you live so long as you can demonstrate that the principal activities of the company do not take place where you live. So with Spain, if a decent percent of your customers are Spanish and you're the only member of the company, then Spain would have reasonable recourse to consider the company Spanish and require you to register it there and pay Spanish corporate taxes. However, if you have say, 6 employees all over the world, your customers are not substantially Spanish etc then they have a lot harder job proving that the fiscal residency of the company is Spanish. In any case, there is always an outside chance that they could investigate you which is enough of a pain on its own, so may not be worth it!
ozim 22 hours ago [-]
I was discussing similar topics with a lawyer once over some beers.
Basically it would be best if you have no customers from Spain or country of your residence.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 20 hours ago [-]
The keyword to look for is CFC (controlled foreign corporation). The details depend on the country.
jnsaff2 9 hours ago [-]
The "e" in eResidency does a lot of work. The scheme will not give you any residency rights or obligations in the physical sense. Just forming and running a company in the EU, including tax and banking systems that are aware of your non-resident status and making running a company easier.
As others have said, it mostly makes sense for people outside of the EU. If you have personal residency in Spain then it is questionable whether the easier paperwork in Estonia will offset the need to do some paperwork in Spain as well.
ipnon 17 hours ago [-]
Hopefully the program continues its success and becomes basis for 25th EU regime
Marciplan 9 hours ago [-]
28th EU Regime
jFriedensreich 23 hours ago [-]
Can also confirm it is great. The community is also quite nice and helpful. Also worth noting, because that comes up all the time, is that Estonia has a digital data embassy in Luxemburg, so if god forbid, russia would take increase its aggression, there is a copy of everything that would keep running your business. The main issue germans have is you cannot really get rid of german accounting as long as generating the business value there while living there. Once getting used to how smooth things can be, I could not bear having to deal with the german bureaucracy in any other area of life.
Gys 22 hours ago [-]
It is mentioned a bit in other comments: be aware that in the country where you live, the tax authorities can argue that your 100% owned company in country X is managed by you. This means it is taxable in your country. It is then up to you to counter their point of view…
matsemann 22 hours ago [-]
And they wouldn't be wrong.
rednb 22 hours ago [-]
Except it does not work that way in the US, you can freely incorporate in any state without worrying about this kind of tax drama. The EU really needs to improve the integration of their single market, as this is precisely the kind of barrier preventing people from exploring what other EU states have to offer.
x0x0 21 hours ago [-]
It does here, at least in California. eg if you live in CA and own a DE llc, that llc will have income apportioned to CA.
trollbridge 17 hours ago [-]
Not quiet. Your profits from the business will just get taxed as a CA resident to your personally.
If an LLC does activity in California, it's subject to income apportionment in CA.
tpetry 24 hours ago [-]
Oh there will be a lot of issues in the future because Germany says thst your company is in Germany because you work from there. So you have to do taxes in Estonia and in Germany. And prepare for a lot of tax issues if you dont have a good tax advisor.
registeredcorn 23 hours ago [-]
>Germany says that your company is in Germany because you work from there.
Forgive my ignorance, I have never really thought about this before and I may be missing something very obvious here.
Isn't that kind of true, though? For instance, if I am a citizen of Japan, live there, and run my remote business from there, but the business that I run exclusively makes money from people in Portugal and Brazil, it would be true that my revenue is being generated in those other countries, but in my own life, I am enjoying the benefits and protections of being a Japanese citizen. Right?
It isn't so much that I would want to be taxed in: Portugal, Brazil, and Japan, but rather that, the nature of how I am choosing to operate my business kind of makes the issue my own burden to bare. If I continue to live in Japan for whatever reasons that may tie me there (family, friends, children in school, business isn't stable enough, other commitments, etc.) it seems like there is a kind of debt to pay back some of my earnings to the Japanese government because they have provided me an environment to build and maintain that business within their country even though the profit made is exclusively outside of Japan. That is to say, the government may not have seen the money directly, but they provided me a safe and stable environment in which I was able to run and operate that business; isn't that kind of the fundamental role of government? I.e., to protect the nation and its citizens, so they may do as they will.
Put another way, suppose the top 1,000 richest people in the world all opted to all move to a tiny nation with very low taxes, and continued to run their businesses remotely from that place without being required to contribute anything back to that nation through taxes. That seems wrong to me. It seems good that they would be asked to pay back into the place that they live and reside, regardless of where their revenue is gotten. They have a home, and that home is ultimately defended and it's property rights upheld by the government that recognizes it.
I'd be interested to hear how others see it. Like I said, I haven't really thought about this too much before, and may be missing something more fundamental and obvious.
lordnacho 21 hours ago [-]
Isn't that more or less how it works? You pay tax where you live, with the justification being, as you say, that you are benefitting from the social structure there?
The big country that is an exception is the US. Their citizens have to pay tax regardless of them being elsewhere, and the difference is dealt with via various taxation treaties. I imagine the justification is something like "we help our citizens everywhere, so they owe us tax".
> I'd be interested to hear how others see it. Like I said, I haven't really thought about this too much before, and may be missing something more fundamental and obvious.
The big thing that's missing is corporations. They are imaginary entities, with a bunch of rules about what they are allowed to do, how they pay tax, etc. Once you create a corporation (or several), you can move profits around according to various accounting rules, which are often disconnected from how ordinary people interact with an entity. Are you buying coffee from Starbucks on Oxford Street, or Starbucks UK, or Starbucks Luxembourg? Most people don't think about that when they buy a coffee, but the accountants do.
You can also change what kind of tax you are paying. If you have a company, you can pay yourself a salary or a dividend. It's still money either way, but depending on jurisdiction taxed differently.
notpushkin 4 hours ago [-]
For Japan in specific, you’ll want to look into JCFC. Not a tax or legal advice, but IIRC it boils down to: if your company (assuming 100% ownership) is paying less taxes than a Japanese company would, and you’re a Japanese tax resident, you would need to pay the difference in Japan. It is probably similar in other jurisdictions that have CFC laws.
Also do read up on permanent establishment rules as well.
mono442 23 hours ago [-]
but you still pay your personal income tax in the country that you live in
samus 21 hours ago [-]
> For instance, if I am a citizen of Japan, live there, and run my remote business from there, but the business that I run exclusively makes money from people in Portugal and Brazil, it would be true that my revenue is being generated in those other countries
That really depends on the nature of your business. If you're hosting a web application in Japan then I'd argue you're still doing business in Japan. Same if you're a contractor for companies or individuals abroad. A grey area is if you host an application abroad. You technically do business abroad, but it's unlikely anybody will come after you for tax.
You clearly owe tax abroad if you operate legal entities that are incorporated abroad. Then we enter the vast and diverse field of how to (ab)use taxation and corporate law of different countries to structure your business to avoid as much tax and bureaucracy as possible. How much of that is morally appropriate according to the points you raised is a whole different question.
Disclaimer: I'm neither a lawyer nor a tax advisor.
fl7305 23 hours ago [-]
> As somebody from Germany, establishing a company is a bit tedious and bureaucratic.
I'm fairly sure the German tax authority will claim that you have a local German branch office since you live and work there.
That might be OK tax wise?
But I'd recommend starting with the tax situation in Germany.
Having limited liability through some kind of corporation can be nice.
But on the other hand, it becomes harder in Germany to pay out a varying salary as profits fluctuates throughout the year since the German tax authorities will see that as an illegal dividend payment from your company.
From this perspective it can be easier to set up some kind of sole proprietorship. Easier accounting etc and can pay out profits easier. But you get the personal liability.
This is not hard advice, just some things to point out that it gets complicated fast. So I'd recommend spending a few hundred euros on getting advice from a tax professional to begin with.
codethief 23 hours ago [-]
> I'm fairly sure the German tax authority will claim that you have a local German branch office since you live and work there. That might be OK tax wise?
If you work from home, your office at home usually does not qualify as a company office unless you make it one. In particular, that alone would not force you to pay Gewerbesteuer to the city, which is the tax specifically addressing local presence.
However, you're touching upon a very important point: If you live in Germany and your Estonian company pays you a salary (as opposed to dividends), you will be a proper employee and your company will also have to pay social security for you, and this might complicate matters significantly. In fact, this will likely (in the German tax authorities' eyes) establish that your Estonian company partially operates in Germany (which is a much broader thing than having an actual physical branch office). This then brings you back to square 1 – your company having to file taxes in Germany, too. Someone below linked https://eidel.io/posts/estonias-e-residency-is-awesome-and-s... which seems to confirm this.
> German tax authorities will see that as an illegal dividend payment from your company.
Could you elaborate? How is this illegal if you declare taxes?
fl7305 42 minutes ago [-]
> Could you elaborate? How is this illegal if you declare taxes?
As someone else mentioned, the taxes are different.
Namely: Salary is taxed lower than dividends. So the German tax authorities checks very carefully that you don't pay salary instead of dividends. If they determine that you paid out dividends as a salary, then you'll be charged with tax fraud.
Now you might say, "I don't care about paying a bit extra in taxes, so I'll pay it as dividends as they wish"
The problem is that you can only pay dividends the year after you earn the money.
If you can set a fixed salary which you can keep paying throughout, and then wait for the dividend payments next year, that's fine.
But what if you want to pay yourself wildly different amounts of money each month based on how much you managed to charge your customers? You can't just keep adjusting your salary up and down every month with a corporation.
So here's where something like a sole proprietorship may be simpler from that aspect?
Another thing you want to look at is "how easy will it be to dissolve the operations?" With a GmbH/UG it takes several years and potentially many thousands of euros in accounting fees. Not sure about the foreign corps. I think German sole proprietorships are simpler in either case?
Also, Germany has a "Moving away tax" where you get taxed on the fictious value of your company if you move away from Germany. This fictious value can be quite a lot more than what you'd actually get if selling the company.
Yet another thing: Depending on your setup, you may be covered by different rules regarding health insurance and pensions. If you don't make a lot of money in the beginning, it may be best to stay in the government insurance. But if you think you'll make a lot of money, it can be better to be able to do private insurance instead? There are rules on how you can move back and forth between government/private, so this is another area to consider carefully.
This is my understanding as a layman, please check this with a competent local tax expert before acting on any advice here.
samus 14 hours ago [-]
> Could you elaborate? How is this illegal if you declare taxes?
Dividends are treated differently from the salary by tax laws.
codethief 9 hours ago [-]
Sure but that doesn't make them illegal?
mono442 23 hours ago [-]
In some countries, it's common to register a sole proprietorship in addition to a limited liability company and bill the company from the sole proprietorship to avoid double taxation. However, I suppose this would not be allowed in Germany.
fl7305 34 minutes ago [-]
I don't see how the German tax authorities would allow this since it would completely circumvent their rules about "disguised profit payments"?
Idk where you are coming from but I am Greek and compared to Greece there is ZERO bureaucracy. You send your documents pretty much whenever you like, you don't get fined for stupid things and you just need to prepare the financial report once per year. We are talking about a very clear and flat system. 20% tax on dividend and for good tax payers it can go as low as 14% as far as I remember. The only "bureaucracy" things is that you have to travel all the way to your country's Estonian embassy to get your e-residency card.
Last but not least, don't count on Estonian banks. They don't like e-residents and even if they like them today, don't trust them.
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sivers 23 hours ago [-]
Here's a newer post from a German who previously was a fan of the Estonian e-business, saying things changed for the worse in 2025:
This seems to only raise issues about taxes but none about the bureaucracy side?
pier25 23 hours ago [-]
I've been running a saas like this for the past couple of years.
I'm using Xolo which do the accounting and local representative. 99% of my bureaucracy is uploading pdf invoices to the Xolo system. Once a year I have to spend like one hour on the anual report. That's pretty much it.
Every 5 years you have to renew your digital id. It costs a little money and if you are in the EU there will be a pickup location not far away (I had to travel internationally).
I also have to deal with my personal taxes but that's another matter.
alde 9 hours ago [-]
Please read up on what a permanent establishment means from a tax perspective. Most countries tax laws, especially EUs unambiguously state that the Estonian company will be taxed as if it was a company in your primary residence country.
The e-residence website repeats this many times, with many examples focusing on Germany.
The whole e-residence thing only makes sense if you are from a non-EU country which doesn’t model its tax code on the OECD model.
People do get away with it until they get audited.
romanovcode 8 hours ago [-]
> non-EU country which doesn’t model its tax code on the OECD model.
It's a very narrow list of countries then. Only reason where it would really work if the owner is digital nomad with no tax residency anywhere.
alde 6 hours ago [-]
Yes, the specific details are outlined in the bilateral tax treaties between Estonia and the given country, but it is almost always tax evasion.
It mostly makes sense for people from countries with weak corporate tax enforcement that need a limited liability entity in a reputable jurisdiction like Estonia.
andai 23 hours ago [-]
My 2 cents
In 2023 tried to register a business in Estonia.
I had to first get the e-residency.
This worked, (took 6 weeks I believe), but then I had to travel to another country (which had an Estonian embassy) to collect it.
Then I would have had to travel to Estonia itself to register the actual business and bank account (something like that -- it was a while ago).
(There are "done for you" business services, but from what I recall they were quite expensive, and I think would have still required the travel.)
It was theoretically doable, but due to life circumstances I wasn't able to travel at the time, so it didn't work out.
Meanwhile a few days ago, finally worked up the courage, and registered a business in the UK via a formation agent.
It took 25 minutes and $150. (Business was registered within 2 business days.) From the comfort of sitting on mine own ass, on the other side of the sea. So... yeah xD I like this way a bit better so far.
shrink 23 hours ago [-]
I can't speak to how things were in 2023 but today you do not need to visit Estonia.
Registering a company in the U.K. is very easy but the tax treatment is less favourable compared to Estonia. The U.K. leaving the European Union is also disadvantageous (although the full consequence of that is yet to be seen). All company filings in the U.K. are public, much more information about your company is public compared to Estonia.
hirako2000 22 hours ago [-]
Creating a company is the easy part in the UK. Need to do HMRC and house of company reports. And now his Majesty revenue and custom requires purchasing "approved" tax software and submit expenses adhering to new regulations. And to verify your identity
and if you like access the online service you've got to wait 2 to 3 weeks for them to send a code in a physical post letter (no other way). And part of those services are mysteriously unaccessible from an IP outside the UK.
And it costs double to dissolve the entity than it did to create it. VAT is 20%, put someone on Payee: employee pays 20% to 45% (over 50k per year starts to fall into the high tax rate) + 9% insurance and as a company you also pay roughly 30% on top for taxes and insurance. Of course there is corporate tax on any profit. If with all of those taxes you somehow manage to be profitable.
rahimnathwani 23 hours ago [-]
I'm curious why you used a formation agent to register your UK company instead of doing it directly on the government's web site.
I realized I had been putting it off for years due to hating paperwork, then realized the whole point of a business is that you can pay people to do stuff you don't like. So for me, the first order of business was to outsource the formation itself :)
rahimnathwani 22 hours ago [-]
I get it for things that are a hassle. But the process to register a business in the UK is really straightforward. I haven't used the process for many years now, but the last time I did I was impressed at how they'd made it as simple as possible whilst collecting all the necessary information.
I can't imagine how a formation agent would make the process any simpler or easier for you.
varispeed 22 hours ago [-]
Whole point of a business is making a profit my guy! :-)
yoaviram 6 hours ago [-]
I have a limited company and a nonprofit registered in Estonia and am about to register another company. I C
can't recommend it enough. It's how it should be everywhere and the polar opposite of how it is in Italy, where i am based.
syllogism 11 hours ago [-]
You're going to make life much harder for yourself, not easier, because you'll still need German legal advice but now you need an expensive multi-national lawyer/firm. Anyone cheaper will refuse to touch it.
Germany cares about where the management of your company actually happens, not just where the entity is incorporated. So you're not going to avoid German bureaucracy, it's going to be worse not better.
abc123abc123 7 hours ago [-]
If some bureaucracy is what keeps you from realizing the idea or not, then the idea, and the earningspotential seems quite bad. If you are going to start a company, make sure there is some good earningspotential. That way, a bit of bureaucracy in the begining will not be so tough, especially when the money comes rolling in.
So I think the fact that you worry about bureaucracy signals that maybe you should rethink your idea.
For hobby projects, don't bother with a company. It is possible in any country to earn money on the side as a hobby. Sure, if you live in the EU, the taxes will eat away most, if not all the profit, but it's a hobby and learning opportunity.
Once you tested, and see potential for serious money, just pay someone to start the company for you. Easy peasy!
dewey 22 hours ago [-]
What are you comparing it to in Germany? Have you tried services like https://www.firma.de that don't make it much more complicated than the Estonian option these days. I have not tried it myself, but I have friends who had good experiences with it.
gmsarmiento 22 hours ago [-]
Here's what I've seen. First you’ll need a service provider (you can’t really avoid it) we tried grouhub,Manuel the guy was very kind. 500€ for the incorporation and he referred us to get the bank account . On the other hand, don’t incorporate too early. If you’re still validating, you’re just paying overhead for nothing(180€/month).
On initial capital: you can set it at €10k as it helps if you plan to structure/share ownership more seriously later, but plenty of people start smaller and adjust when needed.
tauntz 21 hours ago [-]
You don't need a service provider other than a "contact person".
The actual minimal cost of getting e-residency is a one time €150 state fee (I guess you have to renew the physical card every 5 years, which is €150 again?). If you also want to incorporate an Estonian company (which you probably do in this context here), then the registration for this is a €265 one time state fee.
There are no other mandatory fees, except you have to find a "contact person" who's responsible for receiving official government communication on behalf of your company (don't worry, I have never gotten any physical communication from any gov agencies during my 10 years of having a company here so this "contact person" won't actually be doing anything and is just a formality). After a 3 minute google search, this service can be had for €7 / month.
If you don't want to file taxes yourself then you'd also need to hire a local accounting firm. That'll start from somewhere around €50/month for a micro-SaaS. If you really want to, you can file taxes yourself for free but.. your call if your time spent learning the Estonian tax code is worth the saved money..
pithtoken 10 hours ago [-]
I'm in a similar situation — building a SaaS (API proxy for LLM cost optimization) and evaluating Estonia vs UK LTD. Leaning towards UK for Stripe compatibility but the 0% tax on retained profits in Estonia is very tempting. Would love to hear from anyone who's used both.
jnsaff2 9 hours ago [-]
The 0% tax on retained profits is nice as long as your own residency country does not try to tax it. Some countries like the US don't consider this as a shelter and if you are the beneficial owner then still want to tax your company profits there.
Also the 0% retained profits system will come to an end in the next few years due to a worldwide push to have minimum corporate income tax.
Beijinger 4 hours ago [-]
It is one of the best jurisdictions for any business involving crime, money laundering, or scams.
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savageaudit 1 days ago [-]
curious how much of the appeal is still there vs a few years ago
feels like a lot of these “global founder” setups sound great in theory but get messy in practice
Imustaskforhelp 8 hours ago [-]
I once asked a similar question but from the Indian side of things. People here mention how double-taxing might be an issue from a more german-Estonian side of things, but I wonder what are people's thoughts on the Indian-Estonian side of things
Admittedly, US makes LLC's much easier to form as compared to EU. But I sort-of like the EU's privacy perspective for the most part and feel like if I do ever end up making a business, having an EU/Estonian company might make more sense but it also charges a lot in the start compared to the US counterpart.
What are people's thoughts and is there any real tangible value from say a non EU citizen perspective in creation of an EU company as compared to US company when there is a sizable difference in the amount of money needed to form a company?
I hope EU really simplifies the business creation and some stock market related things as well as it does feel to be a little bit fractured. I had heard that there were some proposals regarding that, Let's hope that those start to take place.
(Also although EU feels good for privacy, it's a little concerning to me on how Chatcontrol was denied but then it was asked again in a rare occurence which makes me wonder about the privacy aspects of EU, I do think that EU cares about privacy somewhat more than the current US govt but it should also work on anti-measures to prevent such laws from being passed by giving privacy as a right for example, so to me, the EU's chatcontrol feels a bit concerning and I think that EU citizens might agree with that as well.)
nnurmanov 24 hours ago [-]
What about EU Inc? Is there any timeline?
murkt 24 hours ago [-]
Long way ahead still:
> Given its key importance for the EU's competitiveness, the Commission is calling on the European Parliament and the Council to reach an agreement on the EU Inc. proposal by the end of 2026.
ipnon 17 hours ago [-]
In Brusselsese that means we should be able to start business sometime around the turn of the century, right?
markvdb 13 hours ago [-]
Vague. Early 2027 perhaps with a lot of luck, for a regime that will at best solve a very limited subset of issues.
I'm not holding my breath.
For some perspective, look at how something with a much smaller scope is being "revolutionised". I'm speaking of intra-EU dividend taxation, as regulated in EU directive 2025/50 ("FASTER"). A slightly less complicated dividend double taxation regime between EU member states. Applies to dividends on shares in public companies only. If the shares in question have not been traded within 5 days from the ex-dividend date. If the gross dividend is below 100k€. If the member state is not very small. From 2030. Using EU standardised forms. In some cases, resulting in direct reduction of the double taxation at source. In other cases, refund of excess double dividend tax within 60 days.
The clean solution would be to tax dividends in the tax residency member state of the receiving individual only. That would require a rather large leap of trust from very financialised EU member states like .ie, .lu or .nl. Perhaps possible with a long transition period and compensations. Only there's also bad faith state actors like .hu randomly torpedoing EU legislation to extract concessions. This discourages other member states from even trying to implement the clean solution.
csomar 5 hours ago [-]
Even the simplest of jurisdictions will cost you $3000-5000 of yearly up keep for no revenue. Don’t be deluded with the incorporation cost, later on you’ll discover lots of required things that are not very obvious now like banking fees, mailbox, accountants, some form, VAT, etc..
So until you have $5.000 of yearly revenue (or guaranteed incoming revenue), do not incorporate. Just remind your users that your service is not free and they have to pay up at some point after the beta.
Once you hit that threshold, you can consider incorporating. No one can help you in that. There are three factors here: Where you live, What your passport is (where you are from) and where your income is coming from. Based on these three, you’ll be able to determine which jurisdiction is most suitable. It’s not the one with the least taxes because at this stage, 5% or 40% tax on profit is irrelevant.
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This has nothing to do with the question OP is asking.
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tartoran 24 hours ago [-]
Probably not completely generated but yeah, this feels very LLM-ish. I wonder if the facts are accurate at all.
dicklip 1 days ago [-]
Nah it’s edited and personalized. Go outside
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AndrewKemendo 16 hours ago [-]
Why aren’t European people starting businesses in the US as pass through entities?
It doesn’t make sense to me why Europeans don’t use registered agents or foreign corporation state registrations to do business as US entities in order to get up and running quickly.
Europeans complain about the difficulty starting a business can just start a business as a US entity, you’re just using the US system as the financial layer.
At the point where you’re making enough money for edge cases or moving to a more favorable jurisdiction then you can afford to because you’re in business now
markvdb 14 hours ago [-]
Adding a layer does not simplify. It adds complexity.
Yes, it is fantastic and delivers on all of the promises. The only potential headache is that you must collect your e-residency card from an embassy which, depending on your location, might require travel to a nearby country.
I used Xolo but there are lots of agents in the directory. I like and recommend Xolo. No idea what the supposed issue with banking is, all of the agents have banking relationships and you can also use Revolut and Wise. My bank account was opened same day as the company.
Your details are published on the public register. The moment your registration is published you'll get lots of emails offering services, like banking (some people pretend to be Revolut but are actually just sending you affiliate links). Don't publish an email address you care about.
[1] The problem with forming a U.S. company is that all of the formation agents are layers on top of a convoluted nightmare. The formation agent can do their best to abstract away the complexity but the moment you have to peak behind the curtain you'll find yourself face to face with something very scary. The Estonian e-residency program is integrated all the way through.
What exactly are you referring to? This doesn't match my experience at all.
At the end, these kind of stuff is done so they can charge entrepeneurs heftly and throughly with invoices on services which could not be needed if you were in their jurisdiction.
Not worth it.
PD. I forgot to add the ID card is valid for 5 years or so so you might run out of identity while your company is running, risky business.
It is only when he decides to withdraw the money the problem occurs.
What you're saying applies to most EU countries. Here where I live you have to reside for majority of the year in given residency to pay taxes over there.
Here's the tricky part.
Estonia is part of Schengen Area. Which means you can travel there and back without passport. There's no paper trail of your arrangements. You can easily create a reality in which you reside there for majority of time.
But again, that's not the selling part of Estonian LTD. Which is - it's extremely easygoing and as long as money stays in the company you're not paying taxes.
Cautios when dealing with German tax officers: They are checking the 183-day-limit very very strictly, includin invoices/bank statements if required, hotel bookings etc. They even apply intelligence colleagues if in doubt for big fishes.
https://www.vlh.de/wissen-service/steuer-abc/183-tage-regelu...
Let say I am a junior SWE in EU. I incorporate in Estonia and issue my employer with an invoice from said company. That company pays for my house, my car, my dental service and whatnot, and what's left I take as a employee salary.
I pay local tax for that salary, but that's only a fraction of what I've billed my employer.
There's also the CFC rule, which means that within the EU, if you control a foreign corporation, your country of tax residence can tax undistributed profits.
Often tax offices don't bother and you might not get caught, but 'not getting caught' is not the same as it being legit.
Until you get audited by your local tax authority who rules that all of that is disguised salary, or the Estonian tax authority says that that's technically (taxable) profit being paid to the director.
If you're currently doing this, I suggest throwing yourself at the mercy of your local tax authority with the help of a lawyer and an accountant, as it's possible they'll show some leniency if you go to them first and not add penalty fines in addition to needing to back-pay the tax and late payment fines.
You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to fool The Revenue.
If you travel regularly and have an office in Estonia and you make the effective management decisions there, you are obliged to Estonian tax system only.
Can someone explain the actual benefit of sitting in a developed country and charging via Estonia?
For Estonia who uses services like Xolo to promote this for unaware people the benefit is: money (in a form of dividend tax, e-residency registration fees and so on).
If you manage your company in, let's say, Germany, it is de-facto German company in the eyes of German tax authorities. When German tax authorities will find this out they will make you open UG/GmbH and pay back the corpo-tax, plus possibly a fine.
Now you will be stuck with 2 companies - Estonian and German, which is way bigger hassle. Not to mention Estonian company becomes useless/liability.
I also want to mention that practically every country has offshore-company laws like this, even places like Thailand and other SEA countries. It's not only EU.
Focus on your business, open the smallest and simplest entity you can to validate your product before spending time and money optimizing or scaling things. That being said, I’m familiar with GmbHs in Germany and I would advise against going this route unless funding is available. Try a sole proprietorship instead if possible.
edit: just stumbled upon this really good blog post about the topic, in case anyone is interested: https://eidel.io/posts/estonias-e-residency-is-awesome-and-s...
Banking and being scrupulous on your personal taxes at your place of personal residence are issues, but nothing insurmountable, far from it.-
Basically it would be best if you have no customers from Spain or country of your residence.
As others have said, it mostly makes sense for people outside of the EU. If you have personal residency in Spain then it is questionable whether the easier paperwork in Estonia will offset the need to do some paperwork in Spain as well.
If an LLC does activity in California, it's subject to income apportionment in CA.
Forgive my ignorance, I have never really thought about this before and I may be missing something very obvious here.
Isn't that kind of true, though? For instance, if I am a citizen of Japan, live there, and run my remote business from there, but the business that I run exclusively makes money from people in Portugal and Brazil, it would be true that my revenue is being generated in those other countries, but in my own life, I am enjoying the benefits and protections of being a Japanese citizen. Right?
It isn't so much that I would want to be taxed in: Portugal, Brazil, and Japan, but rather that, the nature of how I am choosing to operate my business kind of makes the issue my own burden to bare. If I continue to live in Japan for whatever reasons that may tie me there (family, friends, children in school, business isn't stable enough, other commitments, etc.) it seems like there is a kind of debt to pay back some of my earnings to the Japanese government because they have provided me an environment to build and maintain that business within their country even though the profit made is exclusively outside of Japan. That is to say, the government may not have seen the money directly, but they provided me a safe and stable environment in which I was able to run and operate that business; isn't that kind of the fundamental role of government? I.e., to protect the nation and its citizens, so they may do as they will.
Put another way, suppose the top 1,000 richest people in the world all opted to all move to a tiny nation with very low taxes, and continued to run their businesses remotely from that place without being required to contribute anything back to that nation through taxes. That seems wrong to me. It seems good that they would be asked to pay back into the place that they live and reside, regardless of where their revenue is gotten. They have a home, and that home is ultimately defended and it's property rights upheld by the government that recognizes it.
I'd be interested to hear how others see it. Like I said, I haven't really thought about this too much before, and may be missing something more fundamental and obvious.
The big country that is an exception is the US. Their citizens have to pay tax regardless of them being elsewhere, and the difference is dealt with via various taxation treaties. I imagine the justification is something like "we help our citizens everywhere, so they owe us tax".
> I'd be interested to hear how others see it. Like I said, I haven't really thought about this too much before, and may be missing something more fundamental and obvious.
The big thing that's missing is corporations. They are imaginary entities, with a bunch of rules about what they are allowed to do, how they pay tax, etc. Once you create a corporation (or several), you can move profits around according to various accounting rules, which are often disconnected from how ordinary people interact with an entity. Are you buying coffee from Starbucks on Oxford Street, or Starbucks UK, or Starbucks Luxembourg? Most people don't think about that when they buy a coffee, but the accountants do.
You can also change what kind of tax you are paying. If you have a company, you can pay yourself a salary or a dividend. It's still money either way, but depending on jurisdiction taxed differently.
Also do read up on permanent establishment rules as well.
That really depends on the nature of your business. If you're hosting a web application in Japan then I'd argue you're still doing business in Japan. Same if you're a contractor for companies or individuals abroad. A grey area is if you host an application abroad. You technically do business abroad, but it's unlikely anybody will come after you for tax.
You clearly owe tax abroad if you operate legal entities that are incorporated abroad. Then we enter the vast and diverse field of how to (ab)use taxation and corporate law of different countries to structure your business to avoid as much tax and bureaucracy as possible. How much of that is morally appropriate according to the points you raised is a whole different question.
Disclaimer: I'm neither a lawyer nor a tax advisor.
I'm fairly sure the German tax authority will claim that you have a local German branch office since you live and work there.
That might be OK tax wise?
But I'd recommend starting with the tax situation in Germany.
Having limited liability through some kind of corporation can be nice.
But on the other hand, it becomes harder in Germany to pay out a varying salary as profits fluctuates throughout the year since the German tax authorities will see that as an illegal dividend payment from your company.
From this perspective it can be easier to set up some kind of sole proprietorship. Easier accounting etc and can pay out profits easier. But you get the personal liability.
This is not hard advice, just some things to point out that it gets complicated fast. So I'd recommend spending a few hundred euros on getting advice from a tax professional to begin with.
If you work from home, your office at home usually does not qualify as a company office unless you make it one. In particular, that alone would not force you to pay Gewerbesteuer to the city, which is the tax specifically addressing local presence.
However, you're touching upon a very important point: If you live in Germany and your Estonian company pays you a salary (as opposed to dividends), you will be a proper employee and your company will also have to pay social security for you, and this might complicate matters significantly. In fact, this will likely (in the German tax authorities' eyes) establish that your Estonian company partially operates in Germany (which is a much broader thing than having an actual physical branch office). This then brings you back to square 1 – your company having to file taxes in Germany, too. Someone below linked https://eidel.io/posts/estonias-e-residency-is-awesome-and-s... which seems to confirm this.
> German tax authorities will see that as an illegal dividend payment from your company.
Could you elaborate? How is this illegal if you declare taxes?
As someone else mentioned, the taxes are different.
Namely: Salary is taxed lower than dividends. So the German tax authorities checks very carefully that you don't pay salary instead of dividends. If they determine that you paid out dividends as a salary, then you'll be charged with tax fraud.
Now you might say, "I don't care about paying a bit extra in taxes, so I'll pay it as dividends as they wish"
The problem is that you can only pay dividends the year after you earn the money.
If you can set a fixed salary which you can keep paying throughout, and then wait for the dividend payments next year, that's fine.
But what if you want to pay yourself wildly different amounts of money each month based on how much you managed to charge your customers? You can't just keep adjusting your salary up and down every month with a corporation.
So here's where something like a sole proprietorship may be simpler from that aspect?
Another thing you want to look at is "how easy will it be to dissolve the operations?" With a GmbH/UG it takes several years and potentially many thousands of euros in accounting fees. Not sure about the foreign corps. I think German sole proprietorships are simpler in either case?
Also, Germany has a "Moving away tax" where you get taxed on the fictious value of your company if you move away from Germany. This fictious value can be quite a lot more than what you'd actually get if selling the company.
Yet another thing: Depending on your setup, you may be covered by different rules regarding health insurance and pensions. If you don't make a lot of money in the beginning, it may be best to stay in the government insurance. But if you think you'll make a lot of money, it can be better to be able to do private insurance instead? There are rules on how you can move back and forth between government/private, so this is another area to consider carefully.
This is my understanding as a layman, please check this with a competent local tax expert before acting on any advice here.
Dividends are treated differently from the salary by tax laws.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdeckte_Gewinnaussch%C3%BCtt...
https://denationalize.me/emigrate/goodbye-estonia-how-a-popu...
I'm using Xolo which do the accounting and local representative. 99% of my bureaucracy is uploading pdf invoices to the Xolo system. Once a year I have to spend like one hour on the anual report. That's pretty much it.
Every 5 years you have to renew your digital id. It costs a little money and if you are in the EU there will be a pickup location not far away (I had to travel internationally).
I also have to deal with my personal taxes but that's another matter.
The e-residence website repeats this many times, with many examples focusing on Germany.
https://learn.e-resident.gov.ee/hc/en-gb/articles/3600025428...
The whole e-residence thing only makes sense if you are from a non-EU country which doesn’t model its tax code on the OECD model.
People do get away with it until they get audited.
It's a very narrow list of countries then. Only reason where it would really work if the owner is digital nomad with no tax residency anywhere.
It mostly makes sense for people from countries with weak corporate tax enforcement that need a limited liability entity in a reputable jurisdiction like Estonia.
In 2023 tried to register a business in Estonia.
I had to first get the e-residency.
This worked, (took 6 weeks I believe), but then I had to travel to another country (which had an Estonian embassy) to collect it.
Then I would have had to travel to Estonia itself to register the actual business and bank account (something like that -- it was a while ago).
(There are "done for you" business services, but from what I recall they were quite expensive, and I think would have still required the travel.)
It was theoretically doable, but due to life circumstances I wasn't able to travel at the time, so it didn't work out.
Meanwhile a few days ago, finally worked up the courage, and registered a business in the UK via a formation agent.
It took 25 minutes and $150. (Business was registered within 2 business days.) From the comfort of sitting on mine own ass, on the other side of the sea. So... yeah xD I like this way a bit better so far.
Registering a company in the U.K. is very easy but the tax treatment is less favourable compared to Estonia. The U.K. leaving the European Union is also disadvantageous (although the full consequence of that is yet to be seen). All company filings in the U.K. are public, much more information about your company is public compared to Estonia.
and if you like access the online service you've got to wait 2 to 3 weeks for them to send a code in a physical post letter (no other way). And part of those services are mysteriously unaccessible from an IP outside the UK.
And it costs double to dissolve the entity than it did to create it. VAT is 20%, put someone on Payee: employee pays 20% to 45% (over 50k per year starts to fall into the high tax rate) + 9% insurance and as a company you also pay roughly 30% on top for taxes and insurance. Of course there is corporate tax on any profit. If with all of those taxes you somehow manage to be profitable.
https://www.gov.uk/limited-company-formation/register-your-c...
I can't imagine how a formation agent would make the process any simpler or easier for you.
Germany cares about where the management of your company actually happens, not just where the entity is incorporated. So you're not going to avoid German bureaucracy, it's going to be worse not better.
So I think the fact that you worry about bureaucracy signals that maybe you should rethink your idea.
For hobby projects, don't bother with a company. It is possible in any country to earn money on the side as a hobby. Sure, if you live in the EU, the taxes will eat away most, if not all the profit, but it's a hobby and learning opportunity.
Once you tested, and see potential for serious money, just pay someone to start the company for you. Easy peasy!
The actual minimal cost of getting e-residency is a one time €150 state fee (I guess you have to renew the physical card every 5 years, which is €150 again?). If you also want to incorporate an Estonian company (which you probably do in this context here), then the registration for this is a €265 one time state fee.
There are no other mandatory fees, except you have to find a "contact person" who's responsible for receiving official government communication on behalf of your company (don't worry, I have never gotten any physical communication from any gov agencies during my 10 years of having a company here so this "contact person" won't actually be doing anything and is just a formality). After a 3 minute google search, this service can be had for €7 / month.
If you don't want to file taxes yourself then you'd also need to hire a local accounting firm. That'll start from somewhere around €50/month for a micro-SaaS. If you really want to, you can file taxes yourself for free but.. your call if your time spent learning the Estonian tax code is worth the saved money..
Also the 0% retained profits system will come to an end in the next few years due to a worldwide push to have minimum corporate income tax.
Admittedly, US makes LLC's much easier to form as compared to EU. But I sort-of like the EU's privacy perspective for the most part and feel like if I do ever end up making a business, having an EU/Estonian company might make more sense but it also charges a lot in the start compared to the US counterpart.
What are people's thoughts and is there any real tangible value from say a non EU citizen perspective in creation of an EU company as compared to US company when there is a sizable difference in the amount of money needed to form a company?
I hope EU really simplifies the business creation and some stock market related things as well as it does feel to be a little bit fractured. I had heard that there were some proposals regarding that, Let's hope that those start to take place.
(Also although EU feels good for privacy, it's a little concerning to me on how Chatcontrol was denied but then it was asked again in a rare occurence which makes me wonder about the privacy aspects of EU, I do think that EU cares about privacy somewhat more than the current US govt but it should also work on anti-measures to prevent such laws from being passed by giving privacy as a right for example, so to me, the EU's chatcontrol feels a bit concerning and I think that EU citizens might agree with that as well.)
> Given its key importance for the EU's competitiveness, the Commission is calling on the European Parliament and the Council to reach an agreement on the EU Inc. proposal by the end of 2026.
I'm not holding my breath.
For some perspective, look at how something with a much smaller scope is being "revolutionised". I'm speaking of intra-EU dividend taxation, as regulated in EU directive 2025/50 ("FASTER"). A slightly less complicated dividend double taxation regime between EU member states. Applies to dividends on shares in public companies only. If the shares in question have not been traded within 5 days from the ex-dividend date. If the gross dividend is below 100k€. If the member state is not very small. From 2030. Using EU standardised forms. In some cases, resulting in direct reduction of the double taxation at source. In other cases, refund of excess double dividend tax within 60 days.
The clean solution would be to tax dividends in the tax residency member state of the receiving individual only. That would require a rather large leap of trust from very financialised EU member states like .ie, .lu or .nl. Perhaps possible with a long transition period and compensations. Only there's also bad faith state actors like .hu randomly torpedoing EU legislation to extract concessions. This discourages other member states from even trying to implement the clean solution.
So until you have $5.000 of yearly revenue (or guaranteed incoming revenue), do not incorporate. Just remind your users that your service is not free and they have to pay up at some point after the beta.
Once you hit that threshold, you can consider incorporating. No one can help you in that. There are three factors here: Where you live, What your passport is (where you are from) and where your income is coming from. Based on these three, you’ll be able to determine which jurisdiction is most suitable. It’s not the one with the least taxes because at this stage, 5% or 40% tax on profit is irrelevant.
It doesn’t make sense to me why Europeans don’t use registered agents or foreign corporation state registrations to do business as US entities in order to get up and running quickly.
Europeans complain about the difficulty starting a business can just start a business as a US entity, you’re just using the US system as the financial layer.
At the point where you’re making enough money for edge cases or moving to a more favorable jurisdiction then you can afford to because you’re in business now